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Linus_Cello wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 14:42Congrats! Looking forward to your hearing about your experience raising the fry.

Thanks, and will do. I'm hoping that they are about like P. maccus. Let's see how many I can get to size.

nabulus wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 00:44Hmm.. so you offer L397 a lot of meaty food too? I thought that they tend to get bloated by that?

All in moderation. They always have access to wood. I give them fresh sweet potato about every 3-4 days, and I leave it in the tank for at least two days before removing leftovers. So they usually go 2 days without sweet potato. Once a week, sometimes less, I put boiled clams, mussels or shrimp in the tank. They eat all vigorously. If you give them live black worms, they will scarf that too. I've never observed bloat in any of my plecos, although some of my maccus have so gotten fat that I feared they were bloated (but they weren't... they went on to lay eggs later).

nabulus wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 00:40 Congrats Eric!
(BUT my eyes have been on your 134 all the time...)

Thanks. And now that the L397 have spawned, I too have my eyes on the compta... and on the albomaculatus in same tank. But the compta are still too small I think.

Wish us luck!

Cheers, Eric

bekateen wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 00:50
Thanks. And now that the L397 have spawned, I too have my eyes on the compta... and on the albomaculatus in same tank. But the compta are still too small I think.

Wish us luck!

Cheers, Eric

Congrats Eric!

what size are the Compta?

Jobro wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 10:21Congrats Eric!

what size are the Compta?

Thanks Johannes. The compta are about 3" TL.

Cheers, Eric

Congratulations !

bekateen wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 06:35 Thanks, YSR50!

YSR50 wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 04:37Does the line start here for "adoption"?

Ha! You can imagine how many requests I've received... not just today, but going back to the day I brought the fish to the USA!

First things first:

1. I have to raise them successfully. (yeah, there's always that)
2. Once the fish are big enough, I need to consult with USFWS. My permit to import was under the terms that I not sell, barter, trade any fish I obtained OR THEIR OFFSPRING for profit. Given that realistically there won't be any profit by the time I raise them to size (feeding them fresh veggies and a mix of mussels, clams, and shrimp, all human-food-grade), I just need to work out with USFW what they will allow me to do. I appreciated and respected the USFWS people who worked with me, very patiently, to bring these fish stateside. I want to honor my agreement with them.
3. Once sales methods are arranged, I have to go down the list of people whom I've promised fish to, going back to July 2016.
4. THEN AND ONLY THEN can I start selling publicly. When fish are available, I will be posting it here. Stay active on this site if you want to get a chance.

Cheers, Eric

Just a question, but have you considered that you may need to consider selling some "VERY expensive bagged water" with a free fish included as a bonus?

Fundulopanchax76 wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 16:35Congratulations !

Thank you

pleco_breeder wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 17:32Just a question, but have you considered that you may need to consider selling some "VERY expensive bagged water" with a free fish included as a bonus?

Great effort - I had missed this until now!

Jools

Why are these so strange laws in USA ? How can you buy something and then not to have right to sell it ?! Maybe you have to have registered firm for that ?

Good question! The laws may sound strange, but they aren't. The USA law states that if people are going to import fish for profit, they have to have a license to do it (which costs money) and they have to pay certain import fees and wildlife inspection fees (which cost more money).

However, if you a just a citizen who wants to import a pet, you do not need to have a license and you do not need to pay the import fees. So if I say the fish are my pets (which they are obviously), but then sell them after returning to the USA, then I am a seller and should have paid for an import license and paid the import fees.

I don't think the law is meant to completely ban me from ever selling the fish or their juvies, because the law says I can't sell, barter, trade, or otherwise exchange them for profit, which is what businesses do. I just have to figure out how the law defines "for profit" as opposed to "not for profit."

Cheers, Eric

bekateen wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 16:12
Thanks Johannes. The compta are about 3" TL.

Cheers, Eric

Sounds big enough to me

Meanwhile, dad has trapped another lady. ... But after 12 hours trapping, he let her go without laying eggs. Hopefully they'll try again when she's ready.

Juvies are about 10 days old. I lost one baby each day on days 1, 2, and 3, but since then I haven't lost any more. After recounting the fry, I think there are 35 left, so I undercounted originally.

In my experience, we are entering the danger time: The fry have pretty much consumed their yolk (or nearly so) and they are transitioning to solid food. With , this is when I experienced my highest mortality (not a lot, but more than at other ages).

First foods include shredded raw sweet potato, Cobalt Spirulina Flakes, Fluval Pleco Bites (crushed), freeze-dried black worms (water-saturated to sink), plus wood, oak leaves, and more mulm from parent tank.

Cheers, Eric

Direct link to YouTube video: Panaqolus L397 (Alenquer tiger pleco) 10 day old juveniles

So if you keep L 397 and L 134 in the same tank is it sure that fry are not hybrids ?

They are different genera Panaqolus and Peckoltia, so the probability is very low.

Cheers, Eric

L134 is such an oddball, I would be quite surprised if they were to hybridisize with any of the other peckoltias out there.

Eric, your L397 look quite big for 10 days olds! Very nice. I am pretty envious you got a hand for the panaqolus I want some panaqolus spawns as well!!!

I can really recommend chlorella powder for fry food. Supplemented with decapsulated Artemia eggs (eggs without shells). I just put some water in a tiny cup, add some chlorella + artemia eggs and mix it up with the end of a spoon. I then pour it into the rearing box and it covers the ground where the fry will eat it. On L134 and L183 fry this gives me an almost 100% survival rate. And my latest L260 and H. Contradens fry seem to do fine on it as well until now (I mix clorella and artemia 50:50 for the hypans and more like 70:30 on Ancistrus and Peckoltia). So if you experience loses during the transition phase, this might be worth a try in the future. With the green color of the chlorella, it is also very easy to track, whether the fry eats or not. Green bellies everywhere

edit: I also tried spirulina powder but it's really a mess once it get's in contact with water (gets really slimy and clumpy)... I don't like it and wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

Jobro wrote: ↑21 Aug 2017, 19:06Eric, your L397 look quite big for 10 days olds! Very nice....

I can really recommend chlorella powder for fry food. Supplemented with decapsulated Artemia eggs (eggs without shells). I just put some water in a tiny cup, add some chlorella + artemia eggs and mix it up with the end of a spoon. I then pour it into the rearing box and it covers the ground where the fry will eat it. On L134 and L183 fry this gives me an almost 100% survival rate. And my latest L260 and H. Contradens fry seem to do fine on it as well until now (I mix clorella and artemia 50:50 for the hypans and more like 70:30 on Ancistrus and Peckoltia). So if you experience loses during the transition phase, this might be worth a try in the future. With the green color of the chlorella, it is also very easy to track, whether the fry eats or not. Green bellies everywhere

edit: I also tried spirulina powder but it's really a mess once it get's in contact with water (gets really slimy and clumpy)... I don't like it and wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

Thanks for the feeding tips. I'll keep them in mind if I have any troubles. Right now I put a lot of spirulina flakes and shredded sweet potato in one day, it sits there most of the day, then it's gone the next morning. So I hope they are okay on current foods.

As for age of the fry, yes it is an estimate because I never saw them as eggs. But based on how much yolk they had the day I found them, and how far back (in time) I can go where I was sure the male did not have eggs, these babies can't exceed 12 days old at most (and 9 days at least). I think 10 days is about right because their size is consistent with the SL reports in the L397 BLOGs.

Cheers, Eric

Look who decided to cling onto me when I was vacuuming their basket this evening.

And today there is this! Last night same dad was trapping a female in same cave as first spawn. He was still trapping this morning. And when I got home from work I found new eggs! Yeah!

I estimate there was about 26 days between the two spawns.

Cheers, Eric

wow! they are really productive! Congrats!!!!

Growth update on the first clutch of fry.

Panaqolus L397 (Alenquer tiger pleco) 3 weeks old

Great video of a stunning sp, you must be very proud.

Congrats on another spawn meanwhile my L204 are still doing nothing

They grow nicely. getting bigger really fast. Almost like the L134 fry does. Wish Hypancistrus grew like that...

At least one of the wigglers that escaped dad's cave from the first clutch survived in the big tank, in spite of still being ripe with yolk (at the time it escaped) and surrounded by lots of other hungry fish.

nabulus wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 00:40(... my eyes have been on your 134 all the time...)

@nabulus, Your wish is my command... Okay not actually my command, but my fishes' command.

The moment you've been waiting for - My spawned today!

Cheers, Eric

Oh my gosh! What a day! In my / tank, in less than 12 hours I had two L397 pairs spawn and one P. compta pair spawn. YeeeHaw!

In just over a month, these are my fourth and fifth L397 spawns, and my first P. compta spawn. Honestly, I didn't think the P. compta would succeed because the male is barely about 60-65mm SL. He's a tiny little guy!

Direct link to YouTube video: A busy day in the fishroom: Peckoltia compta and 2 L397 pairs spawn

Congratulations Eric,

like I said, the L134 are big enough to spawn at that size

Any triggers? Or just business as usual on your side?

Hi Johannes,

Thanks! No special treatment.

Cheers, Eric

Gongrats happy granddaddy !

Wow! Congrats, Eric!
This is amazing as you had three spawns in 12 hours!

How often do you feed them, once a day or twice?

Thanks guys. I feed the adults about once every day or two. Not even daily. The L397 fry get fed 2x daily - my morning and my bedtime.

Cheers, Eric