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Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 18:13
by Martin S
My
came in from NHA today, and it they also sent this in - a quick glance through the catElog and it looks like Doradidae sp(1), or is it something else? Maxillary barbels are branched as this is something sp(1) appears to have.
Will get more pics once it's settled in and feeding.
Thanks
Martin
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 20:29
by Silurus
I think you have identified the fish yourself.
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 20:51
by Jools
Silurus wrote:I think you have identified the fish yourself.
Completely agree.
Jools
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 07 Mar 2009, 08:53
by Martin S
Cool!
Nice to get it right once in a while
Thanks
Martin
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 08 Mar 2009, 12:01
by sidguppy
this is what we kept for years as "Opsodoras spp"
nice find, but if you can pick up more, do so. it's a social fish ;)
very gentle fish, somewhat fragile, non fussy eater and a lot more visible than your usual run off the mill spiny bugger ;)
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 08 Mar 2009, 17:58
by Martin S
Thanks sid
Apparently it's a one off, came in and has been 'kicking around' for a while. It does seem more active then the other doras I have, that's for sure!
Thanks again
Martin
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 08 Mar 2009, 20:17
by Richard B
although it was a while ago - wholesale trops had a tank of 'em - about £7 or £8 each if they're still there.....
maybe it'd shoal with hassar? if they were available (amwell)
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 09 Mar 2009, 08:41
by Martin S
sidguppy wrote:this is what we kept for years as "Opsodoras spp"
Oddly enough, the first name that came into my head when I saw it was Ospodoras stubelli.
Richard B wrote:although it was a while ago - wholesale trops had a tank of 'em - about £7 or £8 each if they're still there.....
maybe it'd shoal with hassar? if they were available (amwell)
Thanks Richard - will call Wholesale today and see if they have any left.
Martin
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 10 Mar 2009, 23:46
by The.Dark.One
Mark Sabaj has looked at these images on this thread and the ones on the Cat e Log and he feels that they are Doras punctatus (and some possibly Doras / Oxydoras eigenmanni - if you look at the images on the Cat e log there are two different 'types'). He said that both species belong in a currently undescribed genus.
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 11 Mar 2009, 02:18
by Yann
Hi!!
I should have ask him... I had the feeling about this but wasn't much sure...
The one with the two dark bands in the caudal fins are Doras punctatus the other are Doras eigenmanni
I had a talk about it with Mark regarding ID of Doradidae from Bolivia...
Cheers
Yann
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 11 Mar 2009, 09:00
by Jools
Yann wrote:Hi!!
I should have ask him... I had the feeling about this but wasn't much sure...
The one with the two dark bands in the caudal fins are Doras punctatus the other are Doras eigenmanni
I had a talk about it with Mark regarding ID of Doradidae from Bolivia...
Cheers
Yann
Seems like I should move them, no?
Jools
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 11 Mar 2009, 09:17
by Martin S
The.Dark.One wrote:Mark Sabaj has looked at these images on this thread and the ones on the Cat e Log and he feels that they are Doras punctatus (and some possibly Doras / Oxydoras eigenmanni - if you look at the images on the Cat e log there are two different 'types'). He said that both species belong in a currently undescribed genus.
Thanks very much to you and Mark
Yann wrote:Hi!!
I should have ask him... I had the feeling about this but wasn't much sure...
The one with the two dark bands in the caudal fins are Doras punctatus the other are Doras eigenmanni
I had a talk about it with Mark regarding ID of Doradidae from Bolivia...
Hi Yann
So, my fish and the first pic in the CateLog are the same, i.e. they both have the dark bands in the caudal fin, so are
Doras punctatus?
Would you then say all the other pics are of
Oyydoras/Doras eigenmanni? some are hard as the caudal fin is not present, but it would seem that both have the branched barbels.
Jools - if in agreement, let me know if any of my pics are any good for the CateLog and I'll send them over.
Martin
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 11 Mar 2009, 09:47
by Jools
Martin S wrote:Jools - if in agreement, let me know if any of my pics are any good for the CateLog and I'll send them over.
Martin
I've changed the catelog and moved fish accordingly, fortunately I have enough info on those pictured to do it accurately. I'd like to use some pictures of your fish Martin, but they are mostly missing the all important caudal fin. Would use up to 7 more if you have or can get them (various angles, dorsal, ventral views, close-up of tail, barbles etc).
BTW, you'll also need to move you "my cats" record over to the new species.
Jools
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 11 Mar 2009, 10:58
by Martin S
Jools wrote:Martin S wrote:Jools - if in agreement, let me know if any of my pics are any good for the CateLog and I'll send them over.
Martin
I've changed the catelog and moved fish accordingly, fortunately I have enough info on those pictured to do it accurately. I'd like to use some pictures of your fish Martin, but they are mostly missing the all important caudal fin. Would use up to 7 more if you have or can get them (various angles, dorsal, ventral views, close-up of tail, barbles etc).
BTW, you'll also need to move you "my cats" record over to the new species.
Jools
Jools
OK, will see what I can get picture wise. Also means that I need to be more careful if I get any more (Wholesale Tropicals have some that they believe to be the same fish) as although am sure they will co-exist, would rather have more of the same than a mixture of both. Record now moved over from
to
.
Martin
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 11 Mar 2009, 11:35
by sidguppy
I have some pics as well, back when I kept a shoal; I'll check if there are complete fish with visible caudals on those.
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 11 Mar 2009, 20:07
by Yann
Hi Martin!!
yes yours are Doras punctatus
Here are the info I had received from Mark regarding these fish:
Hi Yann,
Adult size for these species is about 100 mm total length or perhaps a little smaller.
Doras punctatus is often among submerged vegetation - eigenmanni more often along sandy beaches in large rivers - both are found in either black or white water (there may be "morphs" that are particular to one vs. the other water type - generally darker punctatus with large spots are blackwater, light punctatus with small spots are whitewater). Both species have small teeth - but, I do not know what they eat - presumably small aquatic inverts.
Trachydoras paraguayensis is white water - also along sandy beaches of larger rivers. This species does not have teeth - probably eats small buried inverts like chironomid larvae.
cheers,
Mark
Cheers
Yann
Re: Doradidae sp(1)?
Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 09:07
by Martin S
Yann wrote:Hi Martin!!
yes yours are Doras punctatus
Here are the info I had received from Mark regarding these fish:
Hi Yann,
Adult size for these species is about 100 mm total length or perhaps a little smaller.
Doras punctatus is often among submerged vegetation - eigenmanni more often along sandy beaches in large rivers - both are found in either black or white water (there may be "morphs" that are particular to one vs. the other water type - generally darker punctatus with large spots are blackwater, light punctatus with small spots are whitewater). Both species have small teeth - but, I do not know what they eat - presumably small aquatic inverts.
Trachydoras paraguayensis is white water - also along sandy beaches of larger rivers. This species does not have teeth - probably eats small buried inverts like chironomid larvae.
cheers,
Mark
Cheers
Yann
Hi Yann
Thanks, and also please say a big thankyou to Mark Sabaj for us!
Martin
